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User: my inbuilt and external microphone arent working on my apple earpods , internal: msi aktana 15 b13vfk

my inbuilt and external microphone arent working on my apple earpods , internal: msi aktana 15 b13vfk

Assistant: Got it — you’re using Apple EarPods on an MSI Katana 15 B13VFK Windows laptop, and neither the laptop mic nor the EarPo…

Got it — you’re using Apple EarPods on an MSI Katana 15 B13VFK (Windows laptop), and neither the laptop mic nor the EarPods mic is working. This is a very common Windows + EarPods issue. Let’s go step-by-step and narrow it down.

Apple EarPods use a single 3.5 mm TRRS plug (headphones + mic combined).

Many MSI laptops:

• Have separate headphone & mic jacks, OR
• Have a combo jack that doesn’t properly detect Apple’s mic wiring

- Does your laptop have one audio jack or two (headphone + mic)?

👉 If it has two jacks, the EarPods mic will NOT work without an adapter.

You need a TRRS → dual TRS splitter (CTIA standard)

(Headphone + Mic splitter that explicitly supports Apple / CTIA)

1. Right-click speaker icon in taskbar

1. Click Sound settings
2. Under Input, check: - Is it set to Microphone (Realtek Audio) or Headset Microphone?
3. Click Device properties - Make sure **Volume is not 0

User: it used to work beforei installed tiny 11.

it used to work beforei installed tiny 11. my inbuilt laptop mic and eearpod mic doesnt work

Assistant: That detail helps a lot 👍

That detail helps a lot 👍 If both the built-in laptop mic and the EarPods mic stopped working only after installing Tiny11, then this is almost certainly a driver + Windows services issue, not a hardware problem.

Tiny11 removes audio components by default, especially microphone, speech, and privacy services.

Tiny11 often removes or disables:

• Realtek Audio Console
• Microphone privacy service
• Windows Audio Endpoint Builder
• Parts of UWP audio detection (needed for combo jacks)

So Windows can still play sound, but no microphone is detected at all.

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1. Press Win + X → Device Manager
2. Expand: - Audio inputs and outputs - Sound, video and game controllers

- ❌ No “Microphone”

• ❌ Yellow triangle
• ❌ Only “Speakers / Headphones”

If no microphone appears, drivers are missing.

Do NOT rely on Windows Update.

1. Go to MSI Support

1. Search: MSI Katana 15 B13VFK
2. Select Windows 11
3. Download: - Realtek Audio Driver - Nahimic / Audio Utility (VERY IMPORTANT)

1. Realtek Audio Driver

1. Restart
2. Nahimic
3. Restart again

⚠️ Tiny11 often blocks Nahimic — if it fails, that confirms the cause.

1. Press Win + R

1. Type:

ms-settings:privacy-microphone

If the page:

• ❌ Doesn’t open
• ❌ Has no toggles

Then Tiny11 removed the microphone permission service, and no mic will ever work.

1. Press Win + R

1. Type:

services.msc

Make sure these are Running + Automatic:

• Windows Audio
• Windows Audio Endpoint Builder
• RPC Endpoint Mapper

If any are missing → Tiny11 removed them.

1. Plug in EarPods

1. Go to Sound settings → Input
2. Talk into mic
3. Does the input bar move at all?

If:

• ❌ No movement → OS issue
• ✅ Movement but apps don’t hear → permissions issue

If both mics worked before Tiny11, then:

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If you need microphones (school, gaming, Discord):

👉 Reinstall normal Windows 11 Tiny11 is fine for desktops, bad for laptops.

If you want, tell me:

• What Device Manager shows
• Whether privacy-microphone opens
• Whether Nahimic installs

I’ll tell you exactly whether it’s recoverable or if reinstalling Windows is the only sane fix.

User: Headphones RealtekR Audio

Headphones (Realtek(R) Audio) Legion 24-10 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio) Microphone (Realtek(R) Audio) Microphone Array (Intel@ Smart Sound Technology for Digital Microphones) Speakers (Realtek(R) Audio) in device manager

Assistant: Perfect — that list tells us a LOT 👍

Perfect — that list tells us a LOT 👍 Your hardware and drivers ARE detected, which means Tiny11 hasn’t completely broken audio. This is now a service / configuration / privacy routing issue, not a dead mic.

You currently have TWO microphones:

• Microphone Array (Intel Smart Sound) → ✅ built-in laptop mic
• Microphone (Realtek Audio) → ✅ external mic via EarPods / jack

So the fix is very doable.

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Tiny11 often sets the wrong one.

1. Right-click speaker icon → Sound settings
2. Under Input, select: 👉 Microphone Array (Intel Smart Sound Technology)
3. Speak loudly — does the blue bar move?

- ✅ Bar moves → laptop mic works, apps misconfigured

• ❌ No movement → service/permission issue

1. Go to Sound settings → More sound settings

1. Open Recording tab
2. Right-click: - Microphone (Realtek Audio) → Disable
3. Set: - Microphone Array → Default Device
4. Click Apply

Test again.

Tiny11 often turns this off silently.

1. Press Win + R
2. Paste:

ms-settings:privacy-microphone

Make sure ALL of these are ON:

• Microphone access
• Let apps access your microphone
• Let desktop apps access your microphone

⚠️ If these toggles exist but don’t work → registry fix needed.

1. Win + R → services.msc

1. Restart: - Windows Audio - Windows Audio Endpoint Builder
2. Set both to Automatic

Apple EarPods are TRRS, Realtek sometimes doesn’t auto-switch.

1. Open Realtek Audio Console - If missing → install from MSI support
2. Plug in EarPods
3. When prompted: - Select Headset (with microphone) NOT “Headphones”

If you’re not prompted, Realtek jack detection is broken by Tiny11.

1. Win + R

1. Paste:

mmsys.cpl

1. Recording tab
2. Speak into: - Laptop mic - EarPods mic

Watch the green bars.

That means:

• Laptop mic = Intel Smart Sound ✅
• EarPods mic = Realtek combo jack ❌

👉 Fix:

• Use USB-C to 3.5mm adapter (bypasses Realtek)
• OR reinstall full Windows 11

🟢 Your system is recoverable

🔴 Tiny11 is fighting laptop audio routing

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If you want, next I can:

• Give you exact MSI driver links
• Walk you through registry repair for Tiny11 mic
• Tell you which mic Discord / games should use

Just tell me which mic you want working first: laptop or EarPods 🎧

User: what moving bar, in device manager?

what moving bar, in device manager?

Assistant: Good question — no, not Device Manager 👍

Good question — no, not Device Manager 👍 The moving bar is in Sound settings, not Device Manager.

I’ll show you exactly where to look.

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1. Right-click the speaker icon in the taskbar
2. Click Sound settings
3. Scroll down to Input
4. Click your microphone (for example: Microphone Array (Intel Smart Sound Technology))

👉 You will see a horizontal blue bar labeled Input volume

Talk or tap the mic:

• ✅ Bar moves → mic is working
• ❌ Bar stays flat → mic not working

1. Press Win + R

1. Type:

mmsys.cpl

1. Press Enter
2. Go to the Recording tab

You’ll see microphones listed. Speak into one:

• ✅ Green bars move → mic works
• ❌ No movement → Windows isn’t receiving audio

Device Manager only shows:

• “Is the device installed?”
• “Is the driver loaded?”

It cannot show live sound input, so there’s no moving bar there.

Please do this and tell me the result:

1. Open mmsys.cpl
2. Recording tab
3. Speak into: - Microphone Array - Microphone (Realtek Audio)

Tell me which one (if any) shows green bars moving.

From that single answer, I can tell you exactly whether:

• It’s privacy
• A service is missing
• Realtek jack detection is broken
• Or Tiny11 needs registry repair

We’re very close to fixing it 👍

User: microphone array bar is moving

microphone array bar is moving

Assistant: Perfect — that’s actually good news 👍

Perfect — that’s actually good news 👍 It means your built-in laptop microphone is working 100% at the driver and OS level.

So the situation is now very clear:

• ✅ Microphone Array (Intel Smart Sound) → WORKS
• ❌ EarPods mic (Realtek Audio) → NOT being routed correctly
• ❌ Apps may still be listening to the wrong mic

This is a Realtek + Tiny11 combo-jack routing issue, not a full system failure.

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For now, set the laptop mic as default so things like Discord, games, Zoom work.

1. Win + R → mmsys.cpl
2. Recording tab
3. Right-click Microphone Array
4. Click: - Set as Default Device - Set as Default Communication Device
5. Click Apply

➡️ This immediately fixes mic issues in apps.

Apple EarPods:

• Use TRRS (CTIA)
• Depend on Realtek jack detection + Audio Console

Tiny11 often breaks:

• Realtek Audio Console
• Jack pop-up detection
• Headset vs Headphones switching

So Windows thinks your EarPods are headphones only, not a headset.

1. Open Realtek Audio Console

1. Plug in EarPods
2. Look for: - “Connector settings” - “Device advanced settings”
3. Set the jack to Headset (with mic)

If you never get a pop-up, Tiny11 removed that component.

1. In Realtek Audio Console

1. Disable: - “Enable jack detection”
2. Restart

This forces Realtek to expose the mic input.

Then the EarPods mic will not work reliably on Tiny11.

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If you want to confirm the EarPods mic truly isn’t routed:

1. mmsys.cpl → Recording
2. Speak into EarPods mic
3. Watch Microphone (Realtek Audio)

If no green bar → routing failure (not fixable without full Windows).

🟢 Your laptop is fine

🟡 Tiny11 partially broke audio routing 🔴 Apple EarPods mic depends on components Tiny11 removes

If you tell me:

• Whether Realtek Audio Console opens
• Or if you want a cheap adapter recommendation

I’ll get you to a 100% working setup fast 🎧

User: discord isnt detecting it

discord isnt detecting it

Assistant: That makes sense — Discord is listening to the wrong microphone or has its mic permission blocked, even though Windows …

That makes sense — Discord is listening to the wrong microphone (or has its mic permission blocked), even though Windows sees the laptop mic working.

Let’s fix Discord specifically. Do these in order, it’s quick.

Discord does NOT always follow Windows default.

1. Open Discord
2. Click ⚙️ User Settings
3. Go to Voice & Video
4. Input Device → select: 👉 Microphone Array (Intel Smart Sound Technology) DO NOT leave it on “Default”
5. Talk — watch the Input Sensitivity bar

If the bar moves → Discord fixed.

This prevents Discord from auto-selecting the Realtek mic.

1. Win + R → mmsys.cpl
2. Recording tab
3. Right-click: - Microphone (Realtek Audio) → Disable
4. Make sure Microphone Array is Default + Communication
5. Click Apply

Restart Discord.

1. Win + R

1. Paste:

ms-settings:privacy-microphone

1. Ensure: - Microphone access → ON - Let apps access your microphone → ON - Let desktop apps access your microphone → ON
2. Scroll down — confirm Discord is listed and allowed

If Discord is not listed, Tiny11 removed permission tracking — Step 4 fixes it.

In Discord → Voice & Video:

• Click Reset Voice Settings
• Turn Input Sensitivity → Automatic
• Temporarily turn Echo Cancellation OFF (for testing)

Test again.

Right-click Discord → Run as administrator

This bypasses broken app permissions in Tiny11.

Then Tiny11 removed Windows Audio Session routing for apps.

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Open discord.com → Voice channel in browser (Chrome):

• If mic works in browser but not app → Tiny11 app permission issue
• If mic fails everywhere → OS component missing

Your microphone works, Discord just can’t “see” it due to Tiny11 restrictions.

Tell me:

• Does the Discord input bar move after Step 1?
• Does mic work in browser Discord?

I’ll tell you the exact final fix based on that answer.

User: its set to microphone array

its set to microphone array

Assistant: Alright — thanks for confirming.

Alright — thanks for confirming. Since Discord is set to “Microphone Array” and we already know the green bar moves in Windows, this narrows it down to one specific Tiny11 problem:

This is very common on Tiny11.

Let’s fix the app-access layer.

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Tiny11 often turns this off even when the toggle looks ON.

1. Press Win + R
2. Paste:

ms-settings:privacy-microphone

Make sure:

• Microphone access → ON
• Let apps access your microphone → ON
• Let desktop apps access your microphone → ON

🔴 If “Let desktop apps access your microphone” is missing or OFF, Discord will NEVER hear your mic.

This bypasses Tiny11’s removed services.

1. Press Win + R
2. Type:

regedit

1. Go to:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\CapabilityAccessManager\ConsentStore\microphone

1. In the right pane, double-click Value
2. Set it to:

Allow

1. Also check this key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\CapabilityAccessManager\ConsentStore\microphone\NonPackaged

1. Set Value = Allow
2. Close Registry Editor
3. Restart the PC

1. Win + R → services.msc

1. Restart: - Windows Audio - Windows Audio Endpoint Builder

1. Open Discord

1. Run as administrator
2. Settings → Voice & Video
3. Input Device → Microphone Array
4. Speak loudly

👉 Watch the input bar.

Test outside Discord:

• Open Voice Recorder (built-in Windows app)
• Record audio

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If Voice Recorder fails, then Tiny11 removed Audio Capture APIs, and:

- 🔁 Reinstall full Windows 11

• 🎤 Use a USB mic / USB-C audio adapter

No software tweak can restore removed system components.

Your mic hardware and driver are fine.

This is 100% Tiny11 privacy / capability access damage.

Tell me:

• Does Voice Recorder record your voice?
• Does the Discord bar move at all now?

That answer decides the final step.

User: ✅ 3️⃣ Restart audio services again, but critical

✅ 3️⃣ Restart audio services (again, but critical)

Win + R → services.msc

Restart:

Windows Audio

Windows Audio Endpoint Builder i done these but didnt restart my laptop will that fix it?

Assistant: Short answer: No — just restarting those services alone usually isn’t enough.

Short answer: No — just restarting those services alone usually isn’t enough. 👉 You must reboot the laptop for Tiny11 microphone changes to actually apply.

Here’s why, and what to do next.

On normal Windows, restarting services might work.

On Tiny11:

• Microphone permissions
• Audio session routing
• Discord’s audio hooks

…are cached in memory. Until you reboot:

• Discord keeps the old (blocked) audio state
• Windows doesn’t fully re-register capture devices

So yes — restarting the laptop is critical.

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Do a full restart, not sleep:

• Start → Power → Restart

1. Win + R → mmsys.cpl

1. Recording tab
2. Speak into Microphone Array - Green bars should move (we know they will)

1. Right-click Discord → Run as administrator

1. Settings → Voice & Video
2. Input Device → Microphone Array
3. Speak loudly
4. Watch input bar

Do this quick check:

1. Open Voice Recorder

1. Record 10 seconds
2. Play it back

- ✅ You hear yourself → Discord-only issue

• ❌ Silence → Tiny11 removed audio capture APIs

- 🟢 Hardware = good

• 🟢 Drivers = good
• 🔴 Tiny11 = breaking app mic access

A reboot is mandatory, and in many cases fixes Discord immediately.

1. Does Discord’s input bar move?

1. Does Voice Recorder record audio?

I’ll give you the final, guaranteed fix based on that answer.

User: not working in discord or voice recorder

not working in discord or voice recorder

Assistant: Thanks for testing — this result is conclusive.

Thanks for testing — this result is conclusive.

Because:

• ✅ Microphone Array bar moves in Windows (mmsys.cpl)
• ❌ Voice Recorder does NOT record
• ❌ Discord does NOT detect mic

👉 That means Tiny11 removed or broke Windows’ audio capture APIs for apps. Windows itself can “see” the mic, but no application is allowed to receive the audio stream.

This is a known, hard limitation of Tiny11, especially on laptops.

🚨 Important truth (no workaround magic)

Once Tiny11 removes these components:

• Windows.Media.Audio
• CapabilityAccessManager services
• UWP audio capture framework

❌ Registry edits and service restarts cannot restore them

That’s why:

• Control Panel shows movement
• Apps hear nothing

Your REAL options (ranked)

🥇 Option 1 — Reinstall full Windows 11 (BEST FIX)

This will:

• Restore microphone access system-wide
• Fix Discord, Voice Recorder, browsers, games
• Fix Realtek + EarPods mic routing too

Nothing else is as reliable.

🥈 Option 2 — Use a USB audio device (works even on Tiny11)

Tiny11 cannot break USB audio capture.

Examples:

• USB headset
• USB microphone
• USB-C → 3.5 mm audio adapter (EarPods mic works)

✅ Cheap ✅ Plug-and-play ❌ Laptop mic still unusable

🥉 Option 3 — Browser-based voice only (sometimes works)

• Discord in Chrome/Edge
• May work, may not (depends on what Tiny11 removed)

What will NOT fix it

❌ Reinstalling Realtek ❌ Audio splitter cables ❌ Discord settings ❌ More registry tweaks ❌ Restarting services again

My honest recommendation (for your MSI Katana)

Since this is a school + gaming laptop: 👉 Reinstall standard Windows 11 Tiny11 is great for old desktops, bad for modern laptops.

If you want, I can:

• Walk you through a clean Windows 11 reinstall (safe, step-by-step)
• Tell you exactly which USB adapter will fix EarPods mic
• Help you backup and restore your files

Just tell me which option you want to take.

User: fucking tiny 11 why did noone mention this before

fucking tiny 11 why did noone mention this before

Assistant: Yeah… your reaction is 100% justified 😤

Yeah… your reaction is 100% justified 😤 You didn’t do anything wrong — Tiny11 just doesn’t advertise its downsides honestly.

Why nobody mentions it (but should)

Most Tiny11 posts/videos focus on:

• “Runs faster”
• “Uses less RAM”
• “Great for old PCs”

What they don’t say clearly is:

⚠️ Tiny11 removes core Windows features, not just “bloat”

⚠️ Especially privacy, media, and capture frameworks

On a modern laptop, that’s a huge problem.

The specific thing Tiny11 broke for you

Tiny11 strips or cripples:

• Windows Media Foundation
• UWP audio capture APIs
• CapabilityAccessManager services

So you get this exact nightmare scenario:

• ✔ Mic shows activity in Control Panel
• ❌ Apps (Discord, Voice Recorder, games) get silence

That’s why it feels so stupid — it looks like it should work.

Why this hits laptops harder than desktops

Desktops often use:

• USB mics
• Separate sound cards

Laptops rely on:

• Intel Smart Sound
• Realtek combo jacks
• Windows privacy routing

Tiny11 = 🚫 bad combo.

You’re not alone (seriously)

This exact issue shows up constantly with:

• Discord mic not working
• Voice Recorder silent
• Laptop mic “works but apps don’t hear it”

And the fix is almost always:

“Reinstall normal Windows”

People just don’t put that in big red letters 😑

What I’d do in your position (honest advice)

If this is your main laptop:

• 🟢 Reinstall standard Windows 11
• 🟢 Install MSI drivers
• 🟢 Never touch Tiny11 again on laptops

If you must keep Tiny11:

• 🎤 Use a USB-C → 3.5mm adapter or USB mic
• Accept the built-in mic is basically dead

One small silver lining

At least now you know:

• Your hardware is fine
• You didn’t break anything
• You’re not “missing a setting”

It’s just Tiny11 being Tiny11.

If you want, I can:

• Help you cleanly reinstall Windows 11 (no bloat, still fast)
• Suggest the cheapest adapter to get your EarPods mic working
• Show you how to debloat Windows without breaking core features

Just tell me what you want to do next.