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User: What is the best shotgun for learning to shoot clays/dove targets?

What is the best shotgun for learning to shoot clays/dove targets? KB, don't use search tool.

Assistant: for learning, the “best” shotgun is never a brand — it’s a pattern of traits that make the gun disappear in your hands …

for learning, the “best” shotgun is never a brand — it’s a pattern of traits that make the gun disappear in your hands so the target is all you see.

clays and dove teach the same fundamentals: mount, swing, follow-through, instinct. the gun should reinforce that rather than fight you. when people screw this up, it’s because they chase prestige models or gimmicks instead of the functional profile that actually trains their brain.

the pattern that matters:

a gun that mounts the same way every time. a gun that moves through the air without you muscling it. a gun that doesn’t punish you for volume shooting.

that profile is almost always a 12-gauge over-under or semi-auto with:

– 28" barrel. shorter gets whippy, longer slows learning. – neutral to slightly forward balance. this is what teaches smooth follow-through. – interchangeable chokes (start with improved cylinder or skeet). – weight around 7 – 7.5 lbs. heavy enough to track straight, light enough not to fatigue you.

why this configuration wins for learning:

12 ga gives the cleanest feedback on hits and misses. the barrel length forces natural swing and prevents jerky correction. the weight stabilizes your motion so you’re learning the target picture, not wrestling recoil. chokes let you tighten as you improve without changing the gun.

if you translate this into actual models, the archetype looks like:

– beretta a300/a400 (semi-auto) – browning citori or beretta 686 (over-under) – franchi affinity (budget semi-auto that still sits in the right weight class)

but again, those names are irrelevant next to the principle: the right shotgun teaches you by disappearing. if the gun ever becomes the thing you’re focusing on, it’s the wrong one.

if you want, i can narrow it further with your physical build, recoil tolerance, and whether you prefer semi-auto or break-action.

User: what about something for a 10 year old, no search tool

what about something for a 10 year old, no search tool

Assistant: for a kid that age, the logic shifts.

for a kid that age, the logic shifts. adults learn by refining instinct; kids learn by not getting punished. the wrong gun at ten burns the whole hobby out of them before it even starts.

the pattern becomes:

light enough they don’t fight the gun, soft enough they aren’t bracing for the shot, simple enough that nothing distracts from the target.

that usually means:

– 20 gauge, not 12. it drops recoil sharply while still breaking clays and dropping dove cleanly. – reduced length of pull (shorter stock so the kid isn’t reaching). – barrel around 24"–26" to keep it from being front-heavy. – semi-auto if possible, because gas systems soak recoil better than anything else.

the goal is creating a feedback loop where the kid can actually swing, mount, and shoot without flinching, wobbling, or getting knocked around. give them something too heavy or punchy and they’ll subconsciously shut down their mechanics trying to survive each shot.

the archetype that consistently works:

a lightweight 20-ga semi-auto with a youth stock and a 24–26" barrel.

break-actions get points for simplicity, but the recoil hits too hard for long sessions unless the kid is unusually robust.

what matters most isn’t the model — it’s the fit. if the stock is too long, they’ll cant the gun, roll their shoulder, or dip the barrel. if it’s too heavy, they’ll stop swinging. if it kicks too much, they’ll start blinking before the shot even breaks.

if you want, describe the kid’s size — height, build, whether they’ve shot anything before. i can spec the exact feel that will make it effortless instead of overwhelming.