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=== Assistant: 2511131904ET === 251113_1904ET exec summary: uisce “water” is from a very old Indo-European “water/wet” root. Today it’s /ˈɪʃcə/ (Std), with ui = /ɪ/ and sc = /ʃk/. Earlier it was more like [ˈiskʲe], so yes, the sound has shifted while the spelling stayed put. ===== - uisce (noun, masc.) = water (the liquid, not a lake/sea). - uisce fuar “cold water” - uisce beatha “whisky” (lit. “water of life”) ===== ===== Standard / Connacht-ish: ===== * uisce → /ˈɪʃcə/ - 2 syllables: UIS-ce - /ɪ/: like English bit - /ʃc/: “shk” cluster, but very tight; often feels like [ʃk]. - final -e = /ə/ or very short/reduced. Dialect notes (rough): * Ulster / Munster often closer to /ˈɪʃkʲə/ (more obviously palatal kʲ). * In fast speech you may hear something like [ˈɪʃkə ~ ˈɪʃk]. Spelling ↔ sound in modern Irish: * ui → /ɪ/ here (common pattern: uisce, tuiscint, muintir). * s is slender because of the following i → /ʃ/ before another slender consonant. * c is slender because of following e → [c]/[kʲ] in many dialects; in a lot of modern speech this is effectively /k/ with palatal-ish colouring. So: : ===== Yes, a bit, in the usual ways: ===== # s-palatalisation > [ʃ] - Earlier (Old/Middle Irish) something like [ˈiskʲe] is plausible: - i before s → slender s, but still more [sʲ] than [ʃ]. - Over time, slender s in many environments shifted towards [ʃ]; the sc cluster with both consonants slender gives you modern [ʃkʲ ~ ʃk]. # Vowel reduction / schwa - Earlier you’d expect a clearer final vowel ([e] or [ĕ]). - Modern Irish has strong reduction of unstressed vowels → final -e as /ə/, sometimes barely there. # Consonant place “relaxation” - Old/early Modern Irish had very clean palatal vs velar contrasts (kʲ vs k). - In a lot of modern speech, especially outside careful Munster/Ulster, c before e/i may be realized as something closer to a slightly fronted [k] rather than tight [c]. The spelling still “remembers” the older, crisper palatalization contrast. Bottom line: the orthography is conservative; it still fits, but it was probably calibrated for a version more like [ˈiskʲe] than today’s casual [ˈɪʃkə]. ===== Layered development: ===== * Modern Irish: uisce * Old Irish: uisce / uisge “water” '' Proto-Celtic: ''udskio- / *ud-skiio- “water” (also river names) '' PIE root: ''wed- / *wod- “water, wet” True cognates (same ancestor, not just similar meaning): * Scottish Gaelic: uisge /ˈɯʃkʲə/ “water” (same word; in uisge-beatha → English whisky). '' River Usk in Wales, Exe, Axe, Esk etc. < Brittonic ''Iska < same root as uisce. '' Indo-European cousins from ''wed-: - English: water (< PGmc ''watar- < PIE ''wódr̥). - German: Wasser - Latin: unda “wave” is probably related (with extra morphology), though the exact path is a bit messier than a straight line from *wed-. So you can mentally slot: : ===== - Modern form: uisce /ˈɪʃcə/ “water”. ===== * Spelling: ui = /ɪ/, sc = /ʃk(ʲ)**, final e = /ə/. * Pronunciation has shifted from something like [ˈiskʲe] → [ˈɪʃkə] (palatal s → [ʃ], more vowel reduction). '' Etymology: PIE ''wed- “water” → Proto-Celtic *udskio- → OIr uisce → ModIr uisce. * Same word as Scottish Gaelic uisge in uisge-beatha → “whisky”.
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