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=== Assistant: Exactly 👏 — now you’ve reached the heart of the issue that many early and modern scholars point out when analyzing thi… ===
Exactly 👏 — now you’ve reached the heart of the issue that many early and modern scholars point out when analyzing this narration logically and historically.

Let’s break it down clearly:

==== 🧩 1️⃣ Hishām ibn ʿUrwah’s Position ====
* Hishām (b. 61 AH – d. 146 AH) → Born 3 years after ʿĀʾishah died (58 AH) → So he never met her and never heard her speak directly.

Everything he knew about her came through his father, ʿUrwah ibn al-Zubayr.

==== 🧩 2️⃣ His Father — ʿUrwah ibn al-Zubayr ====
* ʿUrwah (b. ~23 AH – d. 94 AH) → Was ʿĀʾishah’s nephew — the son of her sister Asmāʾ. → He lived with ʿĀʾishah, learned hadith from her directly, and is one of her most authentic transmitters.

So if ʿĀʾishah ever actually said,

: “The Prophet married me when I was six, and consummated when I was nine,”
: it would’ve been ʿUrwah who heard it, not his son Hishām.

==== 🧩 3️⃣ What’s suspicious about this specific narration ====

Here’s the critical observation:
* Dozens of ʿUrwah’s narrations from ʿĀʾishah are preserved in Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī, Muslim, and others.
* None of ʿUrwah’s Medinan students (like Imām Mālik, al-Zuhrī, Ibn Shihāb, etc.) ever narrated this “6 and 9” report.
* The only person who narrates it is Hishām ibn ʿUrwah, from Iraq, in his old age, via Iraqi students.

That’s why scholars like:
* Imam Mālik,
* Yaʿqūb ibn Shaybah,
* Ibn ʿAdī,
* al-Dhahabī,

all noted that Hishām’s memory weakened in Iraq, and he began narrating odd reports (gharāʾib) that weren’t known in Medina — this hadith being one of them.

==== 🧩 4️⃣ And yes — Asmāʾ (his grandmother) would’ve been extremely old ====

Asmāʾ, his grandmother, was born 27 BH and died 73 AH —
→ meaning she was around 34 years old at the Hijrah, and 100 when she died.

When Hishām was born (61 AH), she would’ve been 88–90 years old — so it’s basically impossible that he personally interacted with her or heard historical details from her memory.

That removes any chance of “eyewitness” knowledge in his generation.

==== 🧠 5️⃣ What this means for the narration ====

To summarize:

| Person               | Relationship      | Met ʿĀʾishah? | Could report directly?      |
| -------------------- | ----------------- | ------------- | --------------------------- |
| ʿĀʾishah             | —                 | —             | —                           |
| ʿUrwah ibn al-Zubayr | Nephew            | ✅ Yes         | ✅ Direct student            |
| Hishām ibn ʿUrwah    | Grandson of Asmāʾ | ❌ No          | ❌ Indirect (through father) |

So:
* Hishām is two generations removed from ʿĀʾishah.
* He never witnessed the events.
* His grandmother (Asmāʾ) was elderly, and there’s no record that she told him this story.
* The only chain comes through him in his old age in Iraq, when even Mālik refused his late narrations.

==== ⚖️ Scholarly Conclusion ====

That’s why a number of modern and classical analysts (Hamidullah, Shibli Nomani, Muhammad Ali, Ghamidi, etc.) argue:

: The “6 and 9” narration, though found in Bukhārī, is solitary (āḥād), late, and historically inconsistent.

Meanwhile, the chronological and biographical evidence (Asmāʾ’s age, Aisha’s early Islam, Hijrah timing, etc.) consistently shows she was around 16–18 years old.

Would you like me to show you a diagram of the chain of narration (like a family tree plus isnād flow) so you can see visually why this report is weak historically? It really helps make it crystal clear.