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=== User: Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "I already listed all the evidence to loctar just moments ago. ===
Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "I already listed all the evidence to loctar just moments ago. I have evidence for a lot of cheating going on. 

What evidence do you have there is less or not many people cheating?."
Loctarjay responded: "You have "evidence" of sources saying cheating exists, which you equate to all your videos are about "cheaters" while ignoring ingame mechanics "

Captain Blue quoted Loctarjay "You have "evidence" of sources saying cheating exists, which you equate to all your videos are about "cheaters" while ignoring ingame mechanics "
Captain Blue responded: "No, I have known facts not sources "claiming" cheaters exist. Actual facts that were listed and you're now ignoring. "

Loctarjay quoted CAptain Blue "No, I have known facts not sources "claiming" cheaters exist. "
Loctarjay responded: "I love how you are purposely twisting my sentence into something it is not in order to argue against it = Strawmanning what I said.

I never said "sources that claim cheaters exists", what I did say is "You have evidence of sources saying cheaters exist", which is literally the opposite of "claiming".......... 
Try argue against what I am saying instead of creating a strawman that is easier for you to argue against.........""

Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "Actual facts that were listed and you're now ignoring"
Loctarjay responded: "QUOTE ME........
Stop lying about what I am saying and QUOTE ME saying what you are claiming....
If I never did, then you are making a completely baseless claim to satisfy your hatred towards me and nothing else. ""

Captain Blue quoted Loctarjay "I never said "sources that claim cheaters exists", what I did say is "You have evidence of sources saying cheaters exist", which is literally the opposite of "claiming"..........
Try argue against what I am saying instead of creating a strawman that is easier for you to argue against........."
Captain Blue responded: "Your wordplay is irrelevant. It' snot strawman because whether sources are said or claimed is not the point. The point was I listed facts I never referenced those sources you speak off.

What you're doing is shifting the goalposts then building a strawman argument. You've moved the argument to a semantic argument about claim vs fact of the sources so you can claim a strawman when you're actually building a strawman because the point of what I said has nothing to do with those sources. If the argument was about those sources then it would be a strawman but the point was about you ignoring the actual facts that I listed. Whether the sources are claimed or say or are facts makes no difference that you ignored my facts which are not those sources you speak of.

So you have built a strawman by making out the point of the argument are the supposed sources that you claim that's all I have. I've shown that is not true and you've just ignored those facts and has shifted the goalposts and falsely claimed a strawman when you actually made the strawman because the sources you talk about is not my argument it's yours. "

Captain Blue quoted himself "Actual facts that were listed and you're now ignoring", then quoted Loctarjay "QUOTE ME........

Stop lying about what I am saying and QUOTE ME saying what you are claiming....
If I never did, then you are making a completely baseless claim to satisfy your hatred towards me and nothing else."
Captain Blue responded: "This doesn't make any sense. I haven't claimed anything I listed known facts that are true.

-cheating is multi million dollar busines
-advanced cheats that standard anti cheat can't deal with. AI, Overlays, DMA and other hardware.
-Hundreds of thousands of banned accounts every year
-Increased content on cheaters across YouTube and social media
-High profile cheating in tournaments, top streamers getting away with cheating
-discord servers full of thousands of cheaters
-cheater forums with hundreds of thousands of posts
-Some cheat providers show downloads and there are thousands and hundreds of thousands of downloads.
-Games like The Cycle Frontier being shut down because of cheating.
-Aim Bots and Wall Hacks becoming more common on consoles.
-More threads of people complaining about cheaters than ever have been before.

These are all FACTS that do not rely on sources that say there are cheaters. "

Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "Your wordplay is irrelevant. It' snot strawman because whether sources are said or claimed is not the point. The point was I listed facts I never referenced those sources you speak off"
Loctarjay responded: "Then why are you purposely misrepresenting what I said...????
If the "wordplay" is irrelevant, then why are you not responding to the exact thing I was saying rather than focusing on the irrelevant part ??

It absolutely does not matter whether or not you referenced the sources, what matters is how you are using their information, which is incorrect.....
Sources = Cheaters exists
Captain Blue = We live in a cheater-epidemic
YOU are misconstruing the sources to benefit your own agenda....

Yes, cheaters do exists... and they most likely always will unless something insanely drastic is gonna happen (I support hardware banning all components in the cheater computer, so the moment a single 1 of the components are spotted, there wont be any games that starts up + a financial fine when caught cheating)
NO, cheaters are not as prevelant as you are CLAIMING, because I have multiple times argued that your evidence is insufficient to which you purely dismiss what is being said and claim your evidence takes priority for no reason other than you said so....

And the fact that you are still misrepresenting what I said and arguing against something that had nothing to do with anything I said....
AND previously informed, TWICE, that it sets a poor foundation for what you say next, then I will just ignore the rest of your response because you are already lying TWICE about the exact same thing "

Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue's response to someone else "This is just your opinion based on the assumption I'm wrong.

Imagine.... I'm not..."
Loctarjay responded: "You are just assuming you are right dismissing everything others are saying
And your response right there proves it, because you dismissed what he said and then stated you are not wrong

Imagine.... you are....
Just imagine that for a quick moment....
You are wrong and 90% of all the times you are dismissing peoples counter-arguments to your videos, you are wrong
IF that is the case, then your entire YT turns into ragebait, clickbait false hackusations..... well, the very thing I have argued your YT truly is

And hey... asking AI to analyse OUR METHODOLOGY for logical, reasonable and analytical behavior, it says that you are arguing based on your personal anecdotal experience and emotions... even your own video says exactly that, UNTIL, you are purposely manipulating the prompt into what you want it to say rather than taking the result in and say:
* Huh, that is not the way I want to be perceived, so if this really is true, then why am I blaming everyone else "

Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fzM3206LxI" (The link is to his own video where he previously showed that he added prompts that does not exist in the thread)
Loctarjay responded: "3:17 = "Messages beyond this point are only visible to you"
YOU NEEDED TO LITERALLY ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CHANGED THE ENTIRE PERSPECTIVE OF THE RESPONSES IN THIS THREAD
For what reason...????

You even CLAIMED that I was "deleting" your messages to ChatGPT, even though the messages you claim I deleted have "only visible to you" and does not actually exist
Let's not forget that those messages also does not exist inside this thread
Oh... and let's not forget that ALL MESSAGES are written completely different in your ChatGPT and my ChatGPT, which LOGICALLY would explain to anyone that are being honest, those prompts are made by you and me INDIVIDUALLY and not copied by either one.
In fact, 2 days before you even made your video, I had already linked the chatgpt history from this thread up until page 19, so you already knew I had a prompt and yet you want to claim i "deleted your messages""

Loctarjay quoted himself twice:
# And this is the share-link of the conversation up until page 19 (I intend to take it all the way to page 58)
https://chatgpt.com/share/69434f20-ed90-800d-ab60-60312c9de3dd
# So far the AI have this to say about us
https://chatgpt.com/share/69434f20-ed90-800d-ab60-60312c9de3dd
Loctarjay responded: "Heck, even 1 day before you made your video, I had shared the chatgpt history a 2nd time...... PROVING I already have the prompt without needing to delete any of your BS....

Funny thing is: "
Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "Updated your chat GPT conversation"
Loctarjay responded "YOU EVEN ADMIT TO "update" my chatgpt conversation, by adding in whatever story it is you need to be the case"

Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "This doesn't make any sense. I haven't claimed anything I listed known facts that are true. "
Loctarjay responded: "So the moment you are confronted and demanded to prove something, you are deflecting it as if it never happened.......

Did we just completely ignore THE FACT that you purposely claimed that my argument is along the side of "there is hardly anyone cheating" which you yourself are saying there is no evidence for........................ "

Loctarjay quoted himself "Quote me saying those things are not happening.....
Quote me saying that "hardly anyone cheats".......

Right now !!!!!!!!
Otherwise you are misrepresenting what I am arguing because you have a hateful agenda against me "
Loctarjay responded: "QUOTE ME SAYING OR EVEN REMOTELY CLOSELY SUGGESTS THAT IS THE CASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP LYING AND QUOTE ME, THIS INSTANCE
We both know for a 100% FACT that YOU need me to have that opinion without me actually having that opinion, because the moment you admit that IT IS NOT my opinion and position, then you are admitting you are permanently lying about me for your own hateful agenda against me and nothing else. "

Captain Blue quoted Loctarjay's comment that ends "QUOTE ME SAYING OR EVEN REMOTELY CLOSELY SUGGESTS THAT IS THE CASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP LYING AND QUOTE ME, THIS INSTANCE
We both know for a 100% FACT that YOU need me to have that opinion without me actually having that opinion, because the moment you admit that IT IS NOT my opinion and position, then you are admitting you are permanently lying about me for your own hateful agenda against me and nothing else.
"
Captain Blue responded: "You're moving goalposts loctar. Nothing you speak of here has anything to do with what is being spoke about.

You're fixated on semantics . You said all my evidence was AI sources saying there are cheaters I showed that wasn't the case.

You're now moving goalposts to deflect away from this lie you committed.

Look at the man who claims all I do is make demands stamp is feet and demand things.

Constantly projecting all the time.

This thread is about the chances of getting a cheater in your game based on a certain percentages of the player base cheating.

I have said many facts and cited some sources. All known facts and corroborating sources suggest a sizable amount of players are cheating in all PvP games.

You guys want to claim this isn't true without a shred of evidence and use personal attacks about what I do on my channel and just me in general. Never attacking this argument at all. All attempts made by you was to change the framing of the stats that I have to run into all 20 players / likely hood of running into a cheater. Nothing that the premise of the thread was about. This was pure moving goalposts and straw manning. Which didn't really work as I when you actually factor in certain gameplay aspects and behaviour then the odds to run into said cheater increases.

That there is a condensed paragraph of all the actual argumentation and rebuttal in this thread. Everything else has been logical fallacy and personal attacks.

If you can't stay on topic and continue to shift goals posts and play semantic games then you don't have any good arguments against me.

You've already stated the opinion that you don't agree with me so you must think almost nobody cheats but you want to make semantic arguments that you've never said NOBODY or HARDLY ANTONE cheats.

Your options are.... You either agree with me that 25 to 40% are cheating. You think more than 40% is cheating. Or, you think it's less than 25%.
Since you don't agree with me then we can chalk off you think 25%+ cheats off completely and so your position must be less than 25%. Since you don't agree with me we can safely say that it's not going to be 24% or 23% or 20%. I doubt it would even be 10% it would be less than 10% to be so against me as you are.

So I don't need a quote of you saying "hardly anyone cheats". I can just use logic and derive your opinion based on your opposition to me. You are not in agreement with me in anyway at all. So logic means you must think "hardly anyone cheats". Even 5% would put a cheater in every other game. Even at 5% running into a cheater would be common thing that would happen multiple times in a 6 hour session. "

Loctarjay quoted Captain Blue "You're moving goalposts loctar. Nothing you speak of here has anything to do with what is being spoke about.

You're fixated on semantics ."
Loctarjay responded: "You are fixated on ignoring actual facts....

NOT ONCE HAVE I EVER SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU CLAIM....
And yet you think it's a clever idea to argue against something that never happened.....
That literally only proves you are strawmanning what I am saying because you have a hateful agenda against me and will lie about literally everything....

I refuse to even remotely look at the rest of your comment because you are literally admitting you are lying by calling it "semantics", when you yourself literally changed what I said and argued against nothingness..... "