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=== Assistant: 17-11-25 02:32 ===
17-11-25 02:32
GPT-5.1

Yeah, exactly: a comet is a terrible generational ship but an interesting ''carrier''.

Let’s separate the two ideas cleanly:
# “Live inside the comet as a generational ark” – basically impossible with current physics / logistics.
# “Use the comet as a massive, pre-moving payload bus / reaction-mass block” – much more interesting.

==== Key problems: ====
* Trajectory is not where you want to go. A generational ship must go from here to a chosen star. A natural comet orbit is “whatever weird ellipse gravity gave it”. Changing that orbit by a big angle takes insane Δv.
* Orbital speed and timing are brutal. Near perihelion they zip through the inner system in months. That’s not enough time for: - safe construction - mass loading - long-term habitation infrastructure
* Environment is actively hostile. - Outgassing jets - Huge temperature swings - Microgravity - Surface shedding Turning that into a permanent city is much worse than starting with a purpose-built habitat.

So as a ''habitat'' and ''starship'', comets are the wrong shape of problem.

==== Think of a comet not as “the ship” but as: ====
* a huge reaction-mass rock already moving fast
* a free bulk-transport element whose base Δv and trajectory you inherit
* a slow logistics asset, not your home

You can do at least three plausible things:

===== You don’t colonize the comet. You bolt stuff onto it: =====
* shielded vaults carrying: - frozen water - refined metals - fuel precursors - data archives - robotic factories
* small autonomous probes that detach at certain positions along the orbit

Use case:
* Want to seed the outer system or Kuiper belt with infrastructure?
* Strap prefab modules onto a comet that is already going there.

The comet becomes a massive, dumb freight train dragging a stack of smart containers.

===== A big killer for long-range propulsion is reaction mass. Even if you have a great drive, you need stuff to throw out the back. =====

You can:
* park a propulsion unit and habitat near the comet, not inside it
* mine the comet as needed for: - water (for fusion, steam, or thermal rockets) - volatile mix for high-mass exhaust

In other words, the comet is a mobile fuel quarry:
* The generational ship travels in a saner orbit of its own
* It periodically rendezvous with selected comets to top up reaction mass

That’s closer to your earlier “oasis” picture:
Not: comet = ship

But: comet = moving fuel depot + payload bundler.

===== Longer horizon, Vorbis-style: =====
* You know your civilization won’t be around forever
* You want to pre-position sealed vaults (knowledge, tools, seed banks) along outer trajectories
* You mount hardened capsules on a few comets with: - radiation shielding - passive thermal control - no dependency on your civilization’s continuity

Future generations (or different species) can:
* detect these comets
* intercept them
* recover the vaults

In that frame, comets are time capsules on ballistic archive orbits.

Not for generational ships to live in, but for successor access.

==== Let’s make it very concrete and boring: ====
# Choose target comet(s) - reasonably predictable orbit - perihelion distance where you can reach it cheaply - outbound leg that aligns with eventual logistics goals (outer system, Kuiper belt, etc.)
# Send a specialist anchor mission - landers + harpoons - surface mapping - structural analysis (what will survive, what will spall)
# Install attachment rails + core vaults - bolts, tunnels, or regolith-anchored beams where later payloads can be docked
# Subsequent “loading” missions - every perihelion pass, launch new cargo to rendezvous - latch more containers onto the pre-prepared attachment points - gently manage local mass distribution so spin / tumbling stays manageable
# Let it go - once loaded, you’re no longer trying to micromanage it - you track it precisely - you publish ephemerides for future missions / civilizations to intercept

This is not generational-ship architecture.
It’s deep-time logistics.

==== For manned operations, the fact comets whizz through the inner system in months is a big problem: ====
* window is narrow
* dust and jets are dangerous
* you can’t keep humans in close proximity long enough to “build a city”

BUT for uncrewed robotic cargo, that’s not a blocker:
* you know when the window opens, decades in advance
* you send fast rendezvous missions timed for maximum loading
* the “too quick” problem becomes “tight operations planning”, not impossibility

In other words:

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==== Your refined version is basically: ====

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They are good at:
* carrying huge mass without fuel (gravity does that)
* existing for millions of years
* traveling into deep, cold regions where normal ships struggle

They are bad at:
* comfort
* controllability
* rerouting by large angles
* being safe human homes

So the clean architecture is:
* Ship: purpose-built, self-contained habitat and propulsion system, keeps sanity, culture, and continuous power.
* Comets: dumb massive rocks you exploit: - as fuel quarries - as waterbanks / matter-banks - as archive buses - as “bones of dead missions” that pre-position resources along the desert

That preserves the generational-ship logic and respects physics.

If you want to keep going in a grounded direction, next steps could be:
* sketching a “Comet Freight Program”: how many comets, what kind of payloads, what timeline
* or zooming into one role (e.g., comets as deep-time seed banks, or as refuel points for fusion ships).