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>For context's sake, my post is 200 words, while this reply is cut up into five replies and clocks in over 2000 words. This alone should have you step back and think about people's comments about brevity and give them some weight.

I already addressed this with the following within one of my responses to you:

"It's not my fault he and you pack so many bad arguments into small packages, and my lack of cherry-picking means chronologically pointing each one out. It's super easy to frame the other person as writing "long meandering, gish gallop replies" when you're actively avoiding fairly engaging with any of it directly... which otherwise would risk seeing it as justified."

And when nothing you say stands up to scrutiny and all of your attempts to scrutinize what I say and do fails upon being scrutinized itself... you're not one to be talking about what does and doesn't carry "weight." Sure... to those too lazy to put the effort in, your rhetoric is often successful in appeasing their biases plenty enough for them to jump along with you to conclusions, but to those who matter to me, those who care more about truth than they do confirming biases to perpetually and opportunistically feed, soothe, and protect their ego... what I'm doing carries more weight... especially when it's specifically to protect this sub first and foremost.

>When I did professional writing, one of my mentors told me that I wrote too much because I was defensive and worried someone reading would find a flaw. I was building moats with words, instead of carving paths and paving roads with them.

The appeal to authority doesn't negate the validity of my points and why their existence is justified, even if I have to repeat some of them in order to show the patterns I'm explicitly pointing out as well.

I don't write this much to avoid you finding a flaw. I write this much because the counter-argument' and meta-argument's soundness, showing all of the premises that lead to the conclusion matter. So, there's no need to project the advice you were given onto me when it's a different case. These aren't "moats." They're the very paths to understanding what I'm saying... but you don't want to take them and rather go down imaginary paths I never carved while you claim that I did.

>This made my points, the things I cared about, so much less accessible to the people I wanted to share them with. I spent all this time thinking about and building ideas that I was proud of, then locked them away. That defeated the entire point.

Again, you're taking yours and a small number of similar others' feeling led beliefs about the original post and overgeneralizing it to everyone, even though the target audience deeply appreciated it for what and how it was.

>Here's my drafting advice as someone who makes a lot of money writing things: 1. Cut out repeated restatements of the point (very common ADHD pattern that I exhibited too). Once is enough.

What you claim are simply "repeated restatements" aren't that when you look at them closer. In both original post and my responses to you, they are used to show underlying common denominators in different contexts for categorical clarity and showing patterns. Many best selling and highly rated books do this very same thing. I've already explained this to you to a degree, and so now, I will do exactly this again in a very valid and justified way, repeating myself in showing that you are ignoring and twisting what you're responding to as you try to control the conversation and narrative with one-sided fairness lacking farcical "communication."

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>2. Drop the personal attacks. These are conversation poison in normal irl discussions and you'd never say them to a conversation partner's face. Don't do them online.

I first shoot the messages directly, and then once I've determined that the other person's capacity has already doomed the discourse before it even began after giving them opportunities to prove otherwise, and they go on just further proving that true instead, I then shoot the messenger for the purpose of the meta-argument of why that's the case. Framing it as mere "personal attacks" is a dishonest manipulative rhetoric strategy for the sake of convincing yourself in a way you hope will also convince others... and again... I've already explained this to you, and that further strengthens the meta-argument.

If this were in person and not on a public forum, if you acted no differently, I would have walked away a long time ago. So, your advice here is very much misplaced and only serves to maintain the heir of your own superiority despite it backfiring within your blindspots.

>3. Compress your idea to it's core before sharing it. Don't work out the idea while writing. You should know what's key before you start drafting.

See response to #1. When you pack a lot of illegitimate very problematic garbage into a small package and feel entitled to my considering it, well, I will consider and communicate back on all of it in return... it taking more to unpack it is simply the nature of the beast. Framing it otherwise just further supports the patterns I've pointed out.

You're already banned for the long list of reasons I've covered, but I didn't see this response until now, so figured I'd just finish this up for the record. You lost your right to participate, and whether or not you're capable of allowing yourself to see why that truly is... that's irrelevant at this point. Keep running with the convenient first bias-led thoughts you have without scrutinizing them fairly because at first surface level hearing yourself, they sound honest and logical enough. Unfortunately, I've shown how they aren't as honest and logical as you first and only thought.

For all the reasons you couldn't be a productive member of this subreddit, it's both of our losses and a shame. But it is what it is.