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=== Assistant: 2511132209ET === 251113_2209ET exec: modern Irish has cases, but most endings collapsed. The real action is: * common case (nom+acc) * genitive * vocative * plus preposition + pronoun fusions instead of a dative. Mutations + prepositions do half the work that endings do in Latin/German. ==== Synchronically, you can think of: ==== # Common case (historical nominative + accusative merged) # Genitive (still productive, lots of irregularity) # Vocative (for direct address, marked mostly by lenition + “a”) # Dative remnants (mainly in fixed phrases & dialect; in the standard it’s basically “common case” with prepositions) ===== - Common (sg.): - an fear “the man” - chonaic mé an fear “I saw the man” ===== * Genitive (sg.): - teach an fhir “the man’s house / the house of the man” * Vocative (sg.): - a fhir! “O man!” (lenition + voc particle a) ===== - Common (sg.): - an bhean “the woman” (article triggers lenition) ===== * Genitive (sg.): - fear na mná “the woman’s husband / the husband of the woman” * Vocative (sg.): - a bhean! “O woman!” Note: nominative vs accusative are identical in form, just different syntactic positions. ==== This is the one you actually feel in everyday syntax. ==== ===== - Possession / “of”: - carr an fhir “the man’s car” - doras an tí “the door of the house” ===== * Noun–noun compounds (kind-of / type-of): - múinteoir Gaeilge “Irish teacher” (teacher of Irish) - leabhar gramadaí “grammar book” * After certain prepositions: historically dative/genitive interactions; in the standard you mostly treat them as governed forms: - os comhair an tí “in front of the house” (genitive after os comhair) ===== - Masculine: often no article lenition, but genitive form changes: - fear → fir - bád → báid (many add/slenderize final) ===== * Feminine: often lenition in the genitive with article na: - bean → na mná - an chathair “the city” → lár na cathrach “the middle of the city” You can think of “learn the genitive singular as a lexical property” for common nouns; the rules are messy but patterns emerge with practice. ==== Formally its own case, but no special ending in most nouns; you mark it like this: ==== # Prepose ''a'' (vocative particle). # Lenite the noun if possible. # Sometimes use lenited genitive singular in older style / certain classes, but for your purposes: just “a + lenition”. Examples: * Seán → a Sheáin! * Máire → a Mháire! * fear → a fhir! Functionally: “hey X!”, addressing someone/something directly. ==== Historically Irish had a dative (especially after prepositions). Modern standard Irish: ==== * In most contexts, dative = common case. * A few nouns have a distinct dative in fixed prepositional phrases, especially in dialects: Examples you’ll see: * ar an mbord “on the table” – in conservative Munster this contrasts with nominative an bord; elsewhere it’s just eclipsis rules. * sa bhaile “in town / at home_ from baile, etc. Some older forms had a special “broadening” or consonant change. For a modern learner, you can safely treat “dative” as: : ==== This is where Irish gets most case-y: preposition + pronoun fuse into a single inflected form. ==== Example with ''ar'' “on”: * ar mé “on me” → orm * ar tú “on you (sg.)” → ort * ar sé “on him” → air * ar sí “on her” → uirthi * ar sinn → orainn * ar sibh → oraibh * ar siad → orthu These are not just contractions, they behave like a true case paradigm of the preposition. Same pattern for le, do, ag, ó, faoi, roimh, etc. * le “with”: liom, leat, leis, léi, linn, libh, leo * do “to, for”: dom, duit, dó, di, dúinn, daoibh, dóibh * ag “at, have”: agam, agat, aige, aici, againn, agaibh, acu, etc. This is effectively a prepositional case system. ==== 1. Nouns: - Learn the common and genitive forms; - recognize vocative (a + lenition); - be aware of a few dative fossils in set expressions. ==== # Mutations + articles: - A lot of what other IE languages do with case endings, Irish does with: - choice of article (an / na), - lenition vs eclipsis, and - noun order (head–dependent). # Prepositional pronouns: - Treat them as mini case paradigms of each preposition; they are core grammar, not frills. If you want to go next level, we could pick one declension (say 1st: bád, fear, páipéar type) and lay out a full but compact mini-paradigm: common sg/pl, gen sg/pl, vocative, plus the important preposition+article forms that interact with them.
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