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== gpt-5-1 ==
=== User: Really need some help here guys. ===
Really need some help here guys. I have an M1097A2 with 6.5non turbo that while driving lost power and started smoking. At the advise of several I pulled the IPand had it rebuilt. While waiting for it to get back, I replaced the fuel filter, all fuel lines, CDR valve, and lift pump, starts great and idles smooth but still no power and still smokes like hell. I seen several in here that have had the same issue but nobody has posted a fix. Is there one? Thanks in advance

=== Assistant: Here’s the straight talk on 6.5 NA Humvees M1097A2 and what usually causes exactly what you’re describing — good start,… ===
Here’s the straight talk on 6.5 NA Humvees (M1097A2) and what usually causes exactly what you’re describing — good start, smooth idle, but no power under load + heavy smoke even after a fresh IP, lift pump, lines, filter, and CDR.

This pattern almost always comes from one of these four things:

=== ✅ 1. Injection Pump Timing Is Off (MOST COMMON) ===

On the 6.5 NA, if the IP is off even a hair, you get:
* Low power
* Lots of black or gray smoke
* Good idle but falls on its face when you give it throttle

Even shops sometimes reinstall them a tooth off.

Check:
* Make sure the timing marks on the pump and timing cover are aligned.
* If marks are aligned and it still smokes, loosen the IP and rotate it slightly toward the driver’s side (advances timing).
* Small adjustments make a HUGE difference.

If timing is retarded, you get precisely the symptoms you're seeing.

=== ✅ 2. Air Intake Restriction / Stuck Air Filter Door ===

HMMWV air filter housings have a vacuum-restriction safety door.
If it sticks shut → engine can idle but can’t breathe → smokes like a freight train.

Check:
* Remove the ducting to the air filter.
* Start it and rev it gently.
* If smoke clears and power returns → found your issue.

=== ✅ 3. Crushed, Kinked, or Collapsed Return Line ===

A blocked return line = IP over-fuels = heavy smoke + no power.

Check:
* Make sure return line from the IP to the tank is flowing freely.
* These rubber sections can collapse internally even when they look normal.

=== ✅ 4. Timing Chain Stretch ===

6.2/6.5 engines with miles on them can jump a tooth or stretch the chain enough to retard cam timing.

Symptoms:
* Good idle
* Terrible power
* Thick black/gray smoke
* Won’t rev cleanly

If your chain has 20–30 years on it, it’s suspicious.

=== Secondary Possibilities (but less likely since you rebuilt IP + replaced lift pump): ===

===== • Stuck open injectors =====

Even one injector stuck open = white/gray smoke + low power.

===== • Low compression =====

But this usually gives hard starts — you said it starts great, so unlikely.

===== • Collapsed intake hose =====

They can suck shut under throttle.

===== • Blocked muffler (if not military exhaust) =====

Civvy conversions sometimes plug internally.

=== 🔧 Strong Recommendation: Do This Simple Test ===

This will tell you QUICKLY whether it's timing or fuel delivery:

===== Test 1 — Crack an injector line while idling =====

If one cylinder isn’t contributing, the smoke will change when you crack its line.

If nothing changes, you might have a dead injector.

===== Test 2 — Try advancing the IP a tiny bit =====
# Loosen the three IP nuts slightly
# Rotate pump toward driver’s side ~1–2 mm
# Tighten and test

If it suddenly gains power and loses smoke → your timing was retarded.

This is the most common actual fix people forget to report back on.

=== 👉 The fix you’re looking for (based on pattern) ===

90% chance: your injection pump timing is retarded by just a hair.

This exact problem shows up in HMMWV groups weekly after IP replacement.

If you want, tell me:
* Color of smoke (black, white, blue?)
* Does it rev freely in neutral?
* Does the smoke change when you floor it?
* Does it have the original KDS or Stanadyne IP?
* Any unusual noises?

I can tell you exactly which system is failing.

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