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== gpt-5-2 ==
=== User: Guide train for spiral wrap using a Diawa Saltiga 2 speed. ===
Guide train for spiral wrap using a Diawa Saltiga 2 speed.

=== Assistant: Here’s a proven spiral acid wrap guide train that works extremely well with a Daiwa Saltiga 2-speed on heavy saltwater … ===
Here’s a proven spiral (acid) wrap guide train that works extremely well with a Daiwa Saltiga 2-speed on heavy saltwater rods (jigging, bottom fishing, offshore live bait).

This layout prioritizes line control under heavy load, zero torque, and clean transition—important with wide, tall Saltiga frames.

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This 2-transition method is extremely stable with heavy reels and avoids line rub under load.

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* Stripper: 20 or 25
* Transition 1: 16
* Transition 2: 12
* Runners: 10 or 8 (to tip)

===== - Stripper: 20 =====
* Transition 1: 16
* Transition 2: 12
* Runners: 10 or 8

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* Stripper: 19–22" from reel seat
* Transition 1: 3–4" past stripper
* Transition 2: 3–4" past transition 1
* First 180° runner: ~4" past transition 2
* Remaining runners evenly spaced to tip

==== ✔ Tall reel frame → wide stripper angle handled cleanly ====
✔ Heavy drag → no rod twist under load
✔ Two-speed cranking → smooth retrieve at all angles
✔ Offshore durability → fewer stress points than multi-transition spirals

==== - Stripper slightly offset (~5°) to favor natural line path ====
* Bumper guide (tiny 6–8 mm @ ~60°) if blank is extremely fast
* Double-foot stripper + transition guides for max strength

==== If you want exact spacing and sizes: ====
# Blank model & length
# Line class (braid + leader size)
# Ring or roller guides
# Intended use (jigging, bottom, trolling, live bait)

I can spec this down to exact guide count and spacing for your build.

=== User: 6'6" blank ===
6'6" blank

=== Assistant: Perfect — a 6'6" heavy blank is an ideal length for a spiral acid wrap with a Daiwa Saltiga 2-speed. ===
Perfect — a 6'6" heavy blank is an ideal length for a spiral (acid) wrap with a Daiwa Saltiga 2-speed. Below is a dialed-in, field-proven layout that works exceptionally well for bottom fishing, jigging, and heavy live bait.

==== 6'6" Spiral Wrap Guide Train (Saltiga 2-Speed) ====

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===== Guide Orientation (Simple 2-Transition) =====
* Stripper: 0° (top)
* Transition 1: 45°
* Transition 2: 90°
* Runners: 180° (bottom)

This keeps the transition short, strong, and torque-free, which matters with a wide, tall Saltiga frame and high drag loads.

==== Recommended Guide Sizes ====

===== Ring Guides (SiC / Alconite – most common) =====
* Stripper: 20
* Transition 1: 16
* Transition 2: 12
* Runners: 10 (preferred for 40–80 lb)
* Tip: 10 or 12 ring

===== Roller Guides (if building true offshore heavy) =====
* Stripper: 20 or 25
* Transition 1: 16
* Transition 2: 12
* Runners: 10

: For a Saltiga 2-speed, double-foot stripper + transitions are strongly recommended.

==== Starting Spacing (Measured From Reel Seat) ====

: These are starting points — final spacing should be confirmed with a static load test.

| Guide               | Distance              |
| ------------------- | --------------------- |
| Stripper (0°)       | 20–21"                |
| Transition 1 (45°)  | +3.5"                 |
| Transition 2 (90°)  | +3.5"                 |
| First Runner (180°) | +4"                   |
| Remaining Runners   | 4" → 3.5" → 3" to tip |

===== Typical Guide Count =====
* 8 total guides + tip
* 9 + tip if the blank is fast or sees heavy drag often

==== Small Tweaks That Help ====
* Offset stripper ~3–5° toward the spiral direction for smoother line path
* Keep first 180° runner far enough past the 90° to avoid line touch under load
* If using braid only, you can go size 8 runners, but size 10 is safer offshore

==== Why This Layout Works on a 6'6" ====

✔ Short transition = stronger blank section
✔ No torque when lifting fish vertically
✔ Smooth retrieve in both gear ranges
✔ Handles heavy braid + leader knots cleanly

If you want this nailed perfectly, tell me:
# Blank model & power rating
# Line class (braid + leader size)
# Ring vs roller
# Fishing style (deep jigging, grouper snapper, tuna, etc.)

I’ll give you exact final spacing ready for tape-up and test load.

== References ==
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